[AB4sure]

FactCheck.org took the time to summarize the latest healthcare reform bill.
Sign this petition if you don't want this...
http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/


Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits
you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.


The more known about this the more it is not a good thing.

This post has been edited by AB4sure: 31 July 2009 - 11:18 AM

[EOG]

obviously this latest post from AB is another distortion especially considering that he mentions Factcheck.org but only links the petition site. well i'll look into this and post my thoughts.

[Kyle]

EOG, on 01 August 2009 - 02:02 PM, said:

obviously this latest post from AB is another distortion especially considering that he mentions Factcheck.org but only links the petition site. well i'll look into this and post my thoughts.

Casey doesn't like providing sources. It seems he thinks we should just take him at his word. For proof, just look at the Palin 2012 thread.

[Mohican83]

I'd like for Absolutebullsh!t4Shizzle to explain what the republicans are doing to and for health care reform?

[AB4sure]

Mohican83, on 02 August 2009 - 08:49 AM, said:

I'd like for Absolutebullsh!t4Shizzle to explain what the republicans are doing to and for health care reform?

http://online.wsj.co...=googlenews_wsj

Obviously if you listen to mslsd you won't get that info. And since mohicunt understand the point here.

Who is writing healthcare reform? Obama and Pelosi... Dems...

You think their views are going to get heard or accepted. Obama is hardly bipartisan as the polls show.


http://www.rasmussen...rtisan_politics


I hope coach likes this... I guess when you get your news even more filter through Jon Leibowitz i can understand.

[Kyle]

AB4sure, on 02 August 2009 - 10:18 AM, said:

http://online.wsj.co...=googlenews_wsj

Obviously if you listen to mslsd you won't get that info. And since mohicunt understand the point here.

Who is writing healthcare reform? Obama and Pelosi... Dems...

You think their views are going to get heard or accepted. Obama is hardly bipartisan as the polls show.


http://www.rasmussen...rtisan_politics


I hope coach likes this... I guess when you get your news even more filter through Jon Leibowitz i can understand.

Too bad you can't do the same to back up your statement on Palin.

[AB4sure]

Kyle, on 02 August 2009 - 02:48 PM, said:

Too bad you can't do the same to back up your statement on Palin.

Logic doesn't need backup.

This post has been edited by AB4sure: 02 August 2009 - 08:51 PM

[tampico1]

AB4sure, on 02 August 2009 - 08:50 PM, said:

Logic doesn't need backup.

LOGIC?!?
Can Bynum/Casey/Marcos back up the claim that "Liberals wanted Palin to abort her child" ???
Or is that logic too?

[Kyle]

AB4sure, on 02 August 2009 - 08:50 PM, said:

Logic doesn't need backup.

If only your Palin statements were logical.

[EOG]

look im reasonable enough to admit that health care reform is an enormous task. partly because lobbyists pour tons of money into politicians from both sides to keep things the way they are. but one thing that is hard to deny is that the Republicans next good idea will be their first.

see for example their version of health care reform:

In an interview with Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin Congressman was combative as he wrongly dismissed Democratic proposals for healthcare reform as "the government taking it over." Ryan claimed he wants to get "everybody insured" and that his Patient's Choice Act would do just that--giving people "the ability...to have a plan just like the one we have here in Congress."

It appears, however, that Ryan is just another conservative cog in what New York Times columnist Paul Krugman calls "a wall of misinformation."

Just check out the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) new scathing report entitled Coburn-Ryan Health Bill Would Jeopardize Coverage for Many, While Failing To Reduce the Number of Uninsured Significantly. Here's just some of the damage this bill would do:

•fails to make coverage affordable for many low-income people while also eliminating Medicaid coverage for low-income children, parents, and seniors, pushing tens of millions of vulnerable people into the private insurance market
•would cause employers to drop coverage while failing to provide viable alternatives for people who lose that coverage
•allows insurers selling coverage through (optional) exchanges to charge higher premiums for sicker people and exclude coverage for pre-existing conditions for one year
•prohibits exchanges from placing any limit on premiums and cost-sharing amounts
•doesn't set meaningful minimum standards on benefits, or limit deductibles or out-of-pocket costs
•lack of market reforms means that tax credit and low-income subsidy "would almost certainly be insufficient to enable many people who are older, in poorer health, or have special health care needs to purchase affordable coverage"
•low-income people could exhaust subsidy just to pay premiums
•low-income seniors eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare would face substantially higher costs because Medicaid would no longer pay their Medicare premiums and cost-sharing
http://www.thenation...ealthcare_worse

[Bob Loblaw]

AB4sure, on 31 July 2009 - 10:59 AM, said:

Sign this petition if you don't want this...
http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/

I'm with Casey on this one. This health care thing is a bad deal. My business stands to be hurt by it. I'm starting to think maybe we would have been better off with old man McCain and his beauty pageant hussy in charge.

[Kyle]

Bob Loblaw, on 05 August 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

I'm with Casey on this one. This health care thing is a bad deal. My business stands to be hurt by it. I'm starting to think maybe we would have been better off with old man McCain and his beauty pageant hussy in charge.

She probably would have quit by now.

[Kosar]

Bob Loblaw, on 05 August 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

I'm with Casey on this one. This health care thing is a bad deal. My business stands to be hurt by it. I'm starting to think maybe we would have been better off with old man McCain and his beauty pageant hussy in charge.

My boss says the same.

[tampico1]

Bob Loblaw, on 05 August 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

I'm with Casey on this one. This health care thing is a bad deal. My business stands to be hurt by it. I'm starting to think maybe we would have been better off with old man McCain and his beauty pageant hussy in charge.

"Stand By Your Man, give him two arms to cling to, keep giving all the love you can...
Stand By Your Man"

[EOG]

Bob Loblaw, on 05 August 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

I'm with Casey on this one. This health care thing is a bad deal. My business stands to be hurt by it. I'm starting to think maybe we would have been better off with old man McCain and his beauty pageant hussy in charge.

you mean you'd have to provide health care for those illegals you employ? what a shame!

[Bob Loblaw]

EOG, on 05 August 2009 - 02:31 PM, said:

you mean you'd have to provide health care for those illegals you employ? what a shame!

Sorry to disappoint EOG. No illegals here.

[EOG]

Bob Loblaw, on 05 August 2009 - 02:42 PM, said:

Sorry to disappoint EOG. No illegals here.

THATS DISCRIMINATION!

sorry, that was my inner-Mo talking. carry on.

[Kyle]

Just curious, but who has actually read the health care bill themself?

[AB4sure]

Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS admitting his Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance
OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS HEATH CARE GOAL IS A PUBLIC OPTION THAT WILL ULTIMATELY ELIMINATE PRIVATE EMPLOYER PROVIDED INSURANCE

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=p-bY92mcOdk

[Mohican83]

The video has no audio. Why don;'t you open up a topic and talk about eliminating the illegal alien problem?